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kyrasantae[05:57:00 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: why is it that removing one's inhibitions is seen as a good thing?
[05:57:07 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: exactly i have that question too
[05:57:24 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: it is restraint that prevents most bad things from happening - from murder and rape to simple shoplifting
[05:57:52 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: true fearlessness comes from being able to stand up against that fear and conquer it out of pure will...
[05:58:27 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: idunno to me it's sort of cheating if you do it with the help of drugs
[05:59:11 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: to be fearless is to be foolish, to be brave - that is what you describe
[05:59:19 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: i suppose
[05:59:30 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: bravery doesn't mean that you go without fear, bravery means that you conquer it
[05:59:39 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: i was kinda directing that comment towards those people who say they drink so they're more sociable and stuff
[05:59:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: you know what i mean
[05:59:55 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: there is bravery in social interaction
[06:00:01 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: of course
[06:00:07 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: that's what i'm saying
[06:00:15 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: there are people who drink because they're shy
[06:00:55 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: but they're still gonna be shy for the rest of their life if they don't learn to overcome it
[06:01:45 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: and that's not going to help them where they are truly going to have to overcome their shyness
[06:01:54 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: exactly
[06:01:56 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: such as the work place where you don't have that backup plan
[06:02:04 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: yeah exactly
[06:02:13 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: and now you have a good argument
[06:02:22 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: but i've heard the counterargument
[06:02:44 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: which is really lame
[06:02:51 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: let's hear it
[06:04:39 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: "it's a way to open up and have new qualities you normally don't possess" or something like that i can't remember exactly how it went
[06:04:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: basically about not "just" being yourself
[06:04:58 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: it's really retarded i know
[06:05:40 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: drinking removes your inhibitions, it doesn't change your personality
[06:05:52 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: yeah i argued that
[06:05:52 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: those qualities, you already possess them
[06:06:12 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: that all you're doing is uncovering them, and the previous argument applies again
[06:06:28 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: hence
[06:06:32 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: they argue that drinking is a way to
[06:06:34 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: ahem
[06:06:38 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: "discover yourself"
[06:07:57 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: ok - you've discovered yourself, now allow yourself to be those qualities you admire - without the necessity of alcohol and its negative effects
[06:08:39 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: they also argue that i need to get drunk too - to discover *my*self - ha
[06:08:55 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: and as i like to say - there's always more than one way to do something
[06:08:59 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: there's the quick and dirty way
[06:09:10 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: and there's the slow, but more rewarding way ;)
[06:09:36 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: no - they're both just as fast
[06:10:07 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: but the analysis of them - to find out more about yourself, what you believe in, what you hold dear and how you respond
[06:10:22 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: the difference is, you do them
[06:10:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: what's the point of finding out about yourself if you're not going to take a look and what those qualities are and how you could use them?
[06:11:00 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: exactly
[06:11:09 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: so they gain nothing
[06:11:18 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: nothing useful, anyway
[06:11:26 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: if you require alcohol to become this, than you still don't know what it is
[06:11:30 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: exactly
[06:11:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: idunno about you, but i can't convincingly argue that in front of those freaks
[06:12:18 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: not yet
[06:12:40 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: I'd need to reword it slightly so it sounds logical, but then I could possibly make a good verbal argument
[06:12:45 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: lol
[06:12:49 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: I could definately make a good MSN argument
[06:13:02 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: heh i'll let you try that
[05:57:07 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: exactly i have that question too
[05:57:24 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: it is restraint that prevents most bad things from happening - from murder and rape to simple shoplifting
[05:57:52 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: true fearlessness comes from being able to stand up against that fear and conquer it out of pure will...
[05:58:27 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: idunno to me it's sort of cheating if you do it with the help of drugs
[05:59:11 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: to be fearless is to be foolish, to be brave - that is what you describe
[05:59:19 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: i suppose
[05:59:30 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: bravery doesn't mean that you go without fear, bravery means that you conquer it
[05:59:39 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: i was kinda directing that comment towards those people who say they drink so they're more sociable and stuff
[05:59:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: you know what i mean
[05:59:55 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: there is bravery in social interaction
[06:00:01 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: of course
[06:00:07 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: that's what i'm saying
[06:00:15 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: there are people who drink because they're shy
[06:00:55 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: but they're still gonna be shy for the rest of their life if they don't learn to overcome it
[06:01:45 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: and that's not going to help them where they are truly going to have to overcome their shyness
[06:01:54 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: exactly
[06:01:56 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: such as the work place where you don't have that backup plan
[06:02:04 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: yeah exactly
[06:02:13 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: and now you have a good argument
[06:02:22 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: but i've heard the counterargument
[06:02:44 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: which is really lame
[06:02:51 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: let's hear it
[06:04:39 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: "it's a way to open up and have new qualities you normally don't possess" or something like that i can't remember exactly how it went
[06:04:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: basically about not "just" being yourself
[06:04:58 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: it's really retarded i know
[06:05:40 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: drinking removes your inhibitions, it doesn't change your personality
[06:05:52 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: yeah i argued that
[06:05:52 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: those qualities, you already possess them
[06:06:12 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: that all you're doing is uncovering them, and the previous argument applies again
[06:06:28 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: hence
[06:06:32 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: they argue that drinking is a way to
[06:06:34 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: ahem
[06:06:38 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: "discover yourself"
[06:07:57 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: ok - you've discovered yourself, now allow yourself to be those qualities you admire - without the necessity of alcohol and its negative effects
[06:08:39 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: they also argue that i need to get drunk too - to discover *my*self - ha
[06:08:55 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: and as i like to say - there's always more than one way to do something
[06:08:59 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: there's the quick and dirty way
[06:09:10 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: and there's the slow, but more rewarding way ;)
[06:09:36 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: no - they're both just as fast
[06:10:07 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: but the analysis of them - to find out more about yourself, what you believe in, what you hold dear and how you respond
[06:10:22 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: the difference is, you do them
[06:10:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: what's the point of finding out about yourself if you're not going to take a look and what those qualities are and how you could use them?
[06:11:00 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: exactly
[06:11:09 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: so they gain nothing
[06:11:18 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: nothing useful, anyway
[06:11:26 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: if you require alcohol to become this, than you still don't know what it is
[06:11:30 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: exactly
[06:11:49 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: idunno about you, but i can't convincingly argue that in front of those freaks
[06:12:18 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: not yet
[06:12:40 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: I'd need to reword it slightly so it sounds logical, but then I could possibly make a good verbal argument
[06:12:45 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: lol
[06:12:49 PM] Forgottenlord - I swear, I chase people off of MSN: I could definately make a good MSN argument
[06:13:02 PM] ='( Tuuli Mustasydän [EΣΨ] The Reluctant Engineer: heh i'll let you try that
