Not again! ='(

[kyrasantae]

*headdesk*

Here we go again.

Ville:      How can society break down so badly that this happens?
kyrasantae blames america
Ville:      Well, the idea comes there but it is our societys fault 
            that there is some jerk that applies it. 
            I mean, crimes used to have reasons. 
kyrasantae: well i was chatting with a finnish girl the other day
            who was saying that she didn't like the 'boringness' 
            of finnish culture 
            didn't like the meditativeness 
            so it's conceivable 
kyrasantae: it's always been my belief that a certain amount of 
            constructive self-reflection (not 'waaaaaaaaah i'm so sad 
            or [why do] i hate the world' but 'why am i the way i am')
            is beneficial to peacefulness 

[previously]

Comments

[fakiiri.livejournal.com]

Ville is wrong. It's not the fault of the society and society hasn't broken down. No matter how well the society tries to take care of its own members there will always be people who fall out, break down, or something similar. There will also always be psychopaths that will kill just for the heck of it.

It is typical of the Finns to blame the society for their problems. I'm sick of it. You can't just sit down and wait for someone else (i.e. government) to do things for you.

I what happened today is a case of one of the above. I don't think it's only a glorification of violence or looking up to US. There have been other cases where someone has first killed their family and then themselves. In this case the family was his class mates and then he more or less committed suicide.

[kyrasantae.livejournal.com]

I wouldn't call it a result of the glorification of violence precisely - I think it's more a glorification of instant gratification.

[krikkert.livejournal.com]

That's a pretty far stretch. In the link, it was explained that it was planned since 2002 -- that's not 'instant gratification' by any stretch of the word.

[kyrasantae.livejournal.com]

It's still instant in the sense that it unfolds quickly - rather than like many productive alternatives, which unfold possibly so subtly that one doesn't even notice them.

It's kind of a complicated social psychological question to which I'm still trying to reason out the kinks. But I think I'm on to something in my gut feeling here.

[krikkert.livejournal.com]

"instant gratification", by definition, means wanting a result quickly, preferably instantly. One wants to see the results then and there. Six years of planning is not conducive to that line of reasoning. It's about the distance, time-wise, between decision and result, not action and result.

Of course, by including the words 'gut feeling', you've pretty much reserved yourself from any actual debate around the matter, so I'm not sure why I'm replying... :-/

(frozen)

[kyrasantae.livejournal.com]

I wasn't trying to start a debate, and on principle I generally avoid debates anyway.